Magura

Ok theres been some talk aobut special units being useless recently, say what units you think should be redone, what unit it should be replaced with (if necessary) and some basic stats.

TheRussianLord

Swedish cav replaced with JAS-39 Saab Grippen (Mig-29 style special).

Magura

French Mortar replaced with French Foreign Legion, machinegunners with improved health and dmg.

Halakbalakbalak

No, never replace french mortars... they retain their use in human wars wether or not you relise it.

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Replace the italian special with something like this [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
It could have an at gun that can only hit ground mechanical units and a machine gun for infantry and zombies.
The Spanish cities near the coast can have these [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
The Turks could get an AM rifle [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
And I looked it up and Sweden does still use some cavalry but for recon not much field battles I would say replace them with the swedish home guard basically a better version of infantry or minute men.
Then I think the rest are fine.

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Halakbalakbalak

I agree with all of those... but we need more nuetral spec units... like for say... a finnish spec... an israeli spec... an irish spec... and even an iraqi and saudi spec.

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SilentShadow31

i like the idea of those serenity just listed, and some nuetral specs would be cool, but i think it would cause alot more humans wars, because since only 1 cities would give that units, people would fight over those cities.

Halakbalakbalak

Dar... human wars are things me and russian want inside the game... you can ask either one of us and we will agree on this... wwz shouldnt only be about zombie wars... if it was then it would be mre of a zombie defense game.

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SilentShadow31

i know, but alot of people will focuss on the human wars to much and forget about the zombies, and a couple people in the game like that can ruin the game, so what i am saying is with nuetral specs, there will be more games were 2 (sometimes more) humans will fight eachother to the death, not caring about anything else over one city.

Halakbalakbalak

Dude... mos tpoeple are smart enoufe ot leave human wars until zombies are under control... and to add unto that.,.. human wars are still needed like it or not.

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Well here is a shotgun used by the Swiss army it might be interesting since we only have one swiss city muahaha [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Iraq would be hard for a useful special since most of their equipment is out of date other then what the americans have brought over
There are a lot of countries in the map though
There are a few missing like
Andorra
Vatican city
But the baklends and the former soviet republics there is a lot of countries.
*edit* Give me a list of countries and I will do the reaserch for them well try to.

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Halakbalakbalak

israel syria azurbaijastan romania austria ireland greece and finaly... saudi arabia.

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Serenity

Greece has a special that mabey just change to have a short range for like an officers pistol
As does Ireland Look back on the old world war zs the truck bomb used to be irish truck bomb
And I know hungary is in there and a few others
but
Isrial I would say use the Merkava [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Hungary could use the Gepard AM rifle since it is used in both turkey and Hungary
Romania we could give a Humvee style special
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TheRussianLord

Most of those specials don't offer much new in terms of content. We need some statline ideas.

Halakbalakbalak

acutaly the merkava has been suggested many times but never repied to.. thats why im all for a short range 2 attack israeli special ops unit
because they are trained in both the rifle and in hand to hand.

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Serenity

well they would all have diffrent specs from my pov
The Merkava would be like a hybrid of apc and tank
where as a dingo would be more of a lower armour higher speed transport
The Geapard would be like a sniper rifle but hits mechanical units then also could set the snipers to hit organic only
The Remington would be like an infantry but higher dmg less range
The Centaro I explained
The Spanish ships would be a very different sort of special
And the swedish one I think would be like a cross of minute men and infantry
So low cost decent damage hp and amour also fast building.

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Halakbalakbalak

Dude... no merkava... it would be completely useless. its basicaly an abrams... israeli special opps.

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TheRussianLord

I'm asking for how they should work ingame. Believe it or not nations special units aren't just flavor additions. They're part of the combat system. Many of them are simple augmented versions of regular units. Merkava is not an M1. It's very different. It's more heavily armored, but lacks in mobility. It has lower logistical requirements. However in terms of the ingame combat system it would be somewhat redundant. It would be no different from the Black Eagle, and the Abrams in terms of purpose and employment. In other words it's redundant. Also we have no model for it.

A low armor high speed already exists. It's called the BTR-90 Rostok. Also the BVP M-80, Yugoslav special, is a tank/apc hybrid. These types of vehicles are called IFVs. Infantry Combat Vehicles. Heavier armed and armored then an APC but less then a tank, and with infantry carrying capacity.

The Gepard would then become an uber-sniper. Militia currently have one purpose (other then human shield for tanks in human wars). They sit inside BTRs and BVPs. What specifically did you have in mind for the ships?

The idea of a short range high damage isn't bad.

WWZ

we already have a short range high dmage unit. Flame Throwers anyone?

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Halakbalakbalak

you mean the israeli spec, russ? Because it would be the only one that is short range and high in damage.

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Maedhros_Feanor

Why not just keep the same spec units that are in game and just buff them, or make them cheaper.

Halakbalakbalak

Because that would then rig them -.-

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Alright here is my idea how each would work
The Centauro would be an anti tank vehicles
it would be moderately fast and be able to one hit tanks but not hit other things
The Ship would be like a frigate but then also have recon and single missile capabilities
The Gepard I would like to see mainly so snipers can be set to only hit infantry and the gerpard to only hit mechanical
Mainly because a sniper rifle is not generally meant to stop tanks an AM rifle is. Also if the AM rifle can only hit mechanical units it is balanced since infantry would do good against it.
The Remington would be pretty much a longer range version of a flame thrower with more damage and a bit longer range but a slightly slower attack
The Merkava I think would be good for moving troops atm the ifvs are mainly for moving minute men only and that is not very useful if you need to move let's say riflemen gattling gunners or any other ground unit.
The Dingo would be a fast transport compared to the others with a machine gun
So pretty much the difference between the bmps dingo and Merkava would be the Merkava would be the slowest with the most damage and most armor the dingo would be the fastest the lightest armored and have the weakest armourment. and the bmps would be a moderation of the two.
Then for Romania I found something more interesting the cheetah anti air system, the main difference with it is it could have a ground based radar I think. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

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Halakbalakbalak

um... its a german anti air sustem... romania just owns a few...

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Serenity

Alright I looked up what they used and I tried to be original
We could always change the german sniper to romanian sniper and give the germans the aa system, if russian likes the idea that is.

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