Halakbalakbalak

In wwz as you know the air force is something that is quite vital but very bad when it comes to anythign other then destroying tanks heros or infested cities... the recent suggestion of a tactical bomber has come up... this would iether be massed to destroy random cities without much effort if it was an area attack or it wouldn't beused atol...
Take for instence the eurocopter tiger... its a standardized attack helicopter of the german brittish french and spanish air forces to my knolegde and its equiped with 22 SNEB 98 mm rockets. In game each could cost 1 mana have a 3 second cool down and hit a solid 20... this would be like our well known migs whos missiles cost 5 mana and land 100s.. its basicaly a 5th of a migs missile with a 3 second cool down and it can't atack other air units.. effective at slowing down big zombies and killing most low lvl zombies it would be a GREAT addition for an attack heli... in order to keep the alaigator unique though it wouldnt have a gun and could possibly be on advanced tech.

EDIT:Incase your eyes somehow cant understand that ill make it into sections.

Tactical bomber.
It overall could work but you have to remember that bombers are most effective against cities and usualy artillery is best against gorund unit. Due to a bombers scattered attack it would be best for maybee doing heavy and quick damage to an infested city more then clearing the desert of the infested.

Eurocoptertiger.

The standard attack helicopter of most western european countries.. Equiped with a very effective gatling style gun on the fron and possibly 5 times more effective then the aligator helicopters it could be on the advanced tech list to balence this.
But that would not quite work.. because it also is equiped with 22 sneb 98 mm medium range rockets that are effective at takeing out most ground targets... (Could be tanks normal zombies etc)
Its rocket could hit 20s with a 2-3 second cooldown and it could have the machinegun attack removed.

Zombie birds.

Ah yes, the zombie birds the "airforce" of the infested huh? well im srry to say but that are to strong.... they are to easily massed and completely improbable... incase you don't realise a zombie has a lack of body control... a bird learns to fly not like a human who only needs slight balence to walk... so i say bring back the spitters as anti air because zombie birds also seem to be able to out run an fa-22 ingame.. what are you saying a bird can go at over the sweed of sound...

*alt* They are impossible even mor eimpossible then the spitters or zombie sin general remove them and bring back spitters for anti air.*alt end*

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TheRussianLord

Have you ever seen what 3 tunguskas do to a flock of zombie birds? Also humans get around 20 gold from each bird. Also Phalanx towers and aircraft carriers can both hit air and generally totally own zombie birds.

Halakbalakbalak

But the thing is... takeing tanguskas with your areforce late game wont work.. they jus tnee dot send some zombie lvl 2s at you... and attacking the poalenxe towers head on would never work... they allnknow that.

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Dude what the hell are you complaining about? I don't get this because before air pwned zombs since only way to effectively kill it was to get a huge mass of spitters. Now zombies have a good anti-air unit and you want to remove it?

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King Stubby

wow, it was a joke when i suggested it, but yay for zombie birds! :P

Maybe they could move slower, but faster than ground units?

Serenity

well they are suicide units so mabey they should only slightly outrun air units
Not sure
I know they can slaughter the copter rushers pretty easily which I like

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HeroOfLegends

Yea, but it's totally unrealistic that a bird, zombie or not, can outrun a jet. That's just stupid. But maybe they should get evasion because their small instead to be able to go suicide :P.

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Halakbalakbalak

When a zombie is created its turned braindead and a bird like it or not cannot fly if it can't remember how to. So for one they are impossible and i think we should replace them with maybee an air only version of the psitter.

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OK let me say something here. First off a zombie. What describes a zombie? A brain dead being that has no conscience will of its own. That is true but zombies can also be agile hunters that use coordination to get its prey. The philosophy, biology, psychology and their effects on other beings are not written in stone. Zombies are pure myth and there's nothing scientific about them. There's no patterns, no eating habits nothing. So describing what is realistic when it comes to a zombie is the same as trying to guess how many planets there are in the universe. Of course there are universal signs of what IS a zombie and how it should act. Of course what isn't universal is WHAT happens to another living being that is not human when introduced the zombie gene. The answer is: nothing and anything. There is no hard pressed fact a bird when infected with a zombie gene will be able to fly or act like it did before. BUT there also is no hard pressed fact it can't continue as it was. There's no form of knowing unless you extract a gene from a zombie and give it to a bird. Every animal has its own species, its own genus, its own family etc. Now for a human the zombie gene is supposedly kill the said human and reanimate it. That's what happens to ONE class of the animalia kingdom. Now what happens to the aves class(birds) when infected. IF anyone can give me a cold hard fact on what will happen to a bird if infected with a zombie virus i will solemnly swear to be their servant. You can't can you? So in reality what happens to a bird when infected is a blank piece of information that no one truly knows. In fact for all we know it can transform a bird into a worm. So when arguing for this type of unit, there is no HARD PRESS 100% LEGITIMATE FORM OF REALITY to it. So currently and truthfully under the laws of biology and from our current knowledge of this problem, the zombie bird in our game is will inside the limit of reality.

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Halakbalakbalak

zOMBIES IN THE BOOK WWZ ARE MINDLESS , on top of that if a bird got infected then it would have to be bitten by a zombie or have picked at the flesh of one... now the first Isnt nearly as likely to happen but that would realy hurt it and the second would still make the bird unable to fly -.-... so think about it WWZ ZOMBIES NOT SMART ZOMBIES AS IN SO MANY OTHER MOVIES.

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WWZ never gave any form of information of what happened to BIRDS(not animals) when they got bitten by zombs. So in thus leaves a large portion of what your saying blank and without proof.

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DashBake

In the book animals aren't able to get infected dummy's. It even said radicals were calling it rapture of the human race due to the infection not affecting animals or plants.
By affecting i mean animals wouldn't become a zombies but it would be seriously hurt or die due to it being toxic,
Halak zombies have one instinct in which all humans have this instinct. To feed subconsciously you get hungry and you eat fall asleep poop and then go back to sleep.
Zombies only have feed.
Zombies are in tune with certain senses like hearing and smell and is able to switch between these if one is damaged.
If you blow off a zombie leg it will notice it in a few days just like any other zombie movies.
Mindless is in the sense there is absolutely nothing going on in the brain as if all the brain cells have been cut.
Zombies have little brain function like walking/shambling/crawling.
Although it does not use other part of the brains like the aomdulaomblagoda or however you spell that controls the heart and lunges.

Magura

Zombies are impossible russian explained this on my thread, unless the head detavhes from the body when its body energy runs out. So dont complain about reality.

DashBake

dude no one was talking about reality magura we are talking about if animals can become zombies.
You think we really care if zombie can be true no we dont its just a hobby and why do you have to rain on our parades anyway we don't care,[br]Posted on: August 25, 2007, 10:26:21 PM_________________________________________________o h yea and hero of legends is stating making a point, Thats what these forums are for dude.

TheRussianLord

Ok so wait we already added level 2 undead, rage zombies, spitters, feral dogs, siege zombies and flesh abominations. Now the addition of a single zombie bird unit is bringing up concerns that we're not accurately following the book?

Halakbalakbalak

lOOOOOL, Okay thats not my concern in a zombie situation if mutation happend most of those would be to a point possible and all of them cept the spitters are actual zombies in a book/movie... But zombie birds are jsut impossible... it takes millions of year for animals to develope the ability to fly continueously... and your saying a reanimated bird can fly? Its not like walking and you guys know this.
Its not about breaking from realisnm its about breaking from common sense... in wwz zombies have 1 instinc as dash said wich is to feed and on top of this they are virutaly braindead... the only thing they can do is move and bite even then they arent capable of running*Im talking about normal wwz zombies*, Maybee if it were one where the humans were still rememberent of their lives but still had erges to feed and no sense of control or mercy then it would make sense but a bird zombie would need to be bitten or come in contact with a zombie and be infected one way or the other its not possible for them to fly... whats next zombie bears and zombie turtles....

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Dash I'm saying dont stress reality at this point, lets just have a fun game.

Jedibob

lol zombie turtles. BTW (note this is just a thought dont jump all over it) is it possible to take out all air and anti-air while keeping the game even for everyone?

DashBake

obviously you didnt read my whole post animals or boods can not become zombies all elese its feral birds and wwz 1 infantry is about 100men with its own helis and tanks devision
So in bird retrospect your talking. about 4000 birds flying non stop due to the threat. ot resting while a few thousound are keeping watch,
halak obviously you didn't read my whole post because you sometimes decide to block things out.[br]Posted on: August 26, 2007, 12:40:27 PM_________________________________________________s orry i have alot of errors to what i just posted heres it is with less mistakes
obviously you didnt read my whole post animals or birds can not become zombies.Yo all else they are feral birds, and wwz 1 infantry unit is about 100men with its own helicopters and tank devision
So in bird retrospect your talking about 4000 birds flying non stop due to the threat of zombies on the ground.Birds will be resting while a few thousound are keeping watch.
halak obviously you didn't read my whole post because you sometimes decide to block things out.
We are talking about each unit in WWZ doing different things with different jobs all in one unit.
[br]Posted on: August 26, 2007, 12:50:26 PM_________________________________________________G od puffy puffy today is really getting to me.
sorry i had alot of errors to what i just posted heres it is with less mistakes
obviously you didnt read my whole post animals or birds can not become zombies.To all else they are feral birds,In wwz 1 infantry unit is about 100men with its own helicopters and tank devision
So in the birds retrospect you're talking about 4000 birds flying non stop due to the threat of zombies on the ground.Birds will be resting while a few thousound are keeping watch.
halak obviously you didn't read my whole post because you sometimes decide to block things out.
in WWZ each unit stands for many.Like one zombie stands for 400 zombies. Same thing goes for birds.

HeroOfLegends

You could have just hit the edit button instead of replying again...

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TheRussianLord

The game started out with no air. Air was added in notably later (1.07). Removing air is not an option that will even be considered.

Halakbalakbalak

I still say there is a better way to make air etc.... but heres jsut a though... sicne sniper towers can wtf 1 hit plains and are "sniper towers" Then why can't german snips hit plains and if snipers cant kill plains then some snipers in a friggin tower shouldnt be able to lol.

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