Celegorm

Well I'm kinda two sided on the game/movie one. I think that a person with rational thinking won't have violant behavior for playing some violent game or watching a movie but some people who are not so rational might get weird ideas and morals from the games and might even think that is the right way.
So what do you think?

EtherealCookie

I want to murder. So many people.



Besides that, its just bs when people say things like that, unless the person is mentally retarded, uhh, no. I'm not doing anything violent, its all based on the person. Now where is my knife... Come here kitty kitty...

Pogo

The games and moveies themselves do not cause violent behavior, but in fact can prevent it, or allow for a vent to it. The things that cause it is the person's upbringing, if they had to rely on those games and movies more than actual parents, then what do you think will happen? People of moderate intelligence can easily discern a game from reality, so this seems to happen only in people of bad upbringing, who not only emulate these games and movies, they get new ideas from them.

Its kinda like a German Shepard, which has a really bad rap as a dog, because people use it for fighting and maulings, but if you raise it right, in a loving home, it will turn out to be a great dog. Personally, I've had 2 German Shepherds in my home over the years, and they were awesome dogs, never wanted to hurt anyone who didn't try to hurt me, but people were scared of them anyway.

EagleMan

I've had 2 german sheperds too.

Besides the only way video games cause violence is those looking for an idea to cause such, they get the idea from a game yes, but they would've gotten something regardless because they had the intent originally outside the game.

In fact, it most often trains, helps, or lets people vent as well. Games have been used to train soldiers on occasion, though obviously its not the whole training it just helps with reaction time, quick accuracy etc.

Anyways, its almost the same basis as when ****ography became prevalent the rape rate went down because people had a place to vent. Though I don't think they've completed the study yet on games affect to violence rates.

TheRussianLord

The videogamer generation has yet to grow up for the effects to become noticeable.

Ishanul

a lot of parents blow this issue out of proportion.

King Stubby

yea. but things like grand theft auto are just stupid. seriously, a game where you steal, murder, rape, and pillage is not a good game for your 4-9 year old audience. i like the new rating E10+

EtherealCookie

Ah what? Screw that, Grand Theft Auto was hecka fun, and I played it around 8 or so. Its FINE. I doubt I'm gonna become some criminal. I never saw rape in GTA, but anything with sexual content for me was a no-no. . . A lot of **** thats doing right now ROFL. Murder was always fine.

MrOrange

The reason why people believe that video games are related to bad behavior is they fail to realize the real problem. People with violent behavior usually hangs with the wrong crowd, have abusive parents, they are bullied, can't make friends, etc. Then they turn to video game because video games is pretty much the alcohol substitute to some people. The only difference is that you can blame alcohol because of what's in it.

And some "experts" blames video games for every murder that isn't an adult. Virginia Tech, "experts" blamed video games while they fail to realize that he was alone, very quiet, and was bullied. And later they find that the guy didn't even own a single video game.

And you can see the intelligence of those "experts" because they worked long and hard to make an complaint letter to Microsoft about a certain violent computer games causing people to have violent behavior. The only problem is that Microsoft can't control what another company is doing.

Lohengrin

I suppose it is all part of the American culture of censorship but even at eight years old, exposure to nudity, sex, and excessive violence in games or movies... I doubt it all has much of an effect on a person with atleast a decent upbringing and a rather stable family. Besides, at that age, the average kid doesn't even grasp what the hell is actually going on. And when they do age enough to actually grasp such things, I don't see the point in censorship. I think parents should be confident that from the ways they raised their kid that their offspring would follow suit to the values in whatever "morally-enriching" environment they have created as a place of growth. Otherwise, the blame goes to the parents, genetics, and perhaps other wankers. Not depictions of violence and sex made for the sole purpose of entertainment.

King Stubby

God, that shows how stupid experts really are. No wonder there are movies about "rookies" beating the crap out of the "experts!"

TheRussianLord

You're failing to distinguish between experts and professinals. Professionals are always better then rookies. However being an expert simply means you know a lot about the subject. You're not necessarily right.

MrOrange

Just so you know, those experts I was talking about were Senators and the stupid parents who thinks of their kids as pets instead of humans.

EtherealCookie

Dogs are more well behaved then some of the children at Disney Land. Get them on a leash, please. . . I don't like being touched by midget brats >_<.


Anyways, I believe most of the forums agrees that games and movies don't cause violent behavior. Its mainly the parents fault if something like that happens.

EagleMan

Steak, your a violent 12-13 year old.
Older people think you should wear the leash too as well.

Anways video games are just an easy source to blame given it's violent content along with interactivity which leads automatic assumptions by a select people to correlate it with solely violent screwed up kids.

A foolish lawyer whos sued practically every video game company:


He's blaming Counterstrike for the shootings. I also recall hearing that no one even saw him playing it when he was infact writing up English essays..

Anyways silly Jack Thompson Cho must be hax to get 32 kills, I've only gotten a 28 streak before without dying.

MrOrange

Jack Thompson, a famous anti-video gamer. Only hours after Virgina Tech Shooting. A website with a timer of when he would blame video games was made.

Only 18 hours after the shooting, Jack Thompson blamed video games for the shooting. Only about 36 hours after the shooting, police investigations shows that the boy responsible for the shooting had no records of video game systems, video games on his computer at school and at home.

Only 40 hours after that, Jack Thompson continued to blame video games while professionals, not experts, stated that the shooter's action was due to him lacking friends, lack of being in a group, he was bullied, and he was already acting very werid.

Only a few hours after that, a new station gets a video that he recorded before he went on with the shooting. Experts, not professionals, and a large majority of people who knows that video games are not the true source to blame upon stated that the shooter is just crazy and had obvious proof that this boy needed help.

50+ hours later, Jack Thompson continues to blame video games while failing to see that most of them had another common factor which was the fact that they have family or social problems and were alone.

60+ hours later, we continue to play video games and amazingly most of us don't have homocidal, suicidal, or genocidal thoughts.

Ishanul

Jack Thompson doesn't sound like a friendly guy.

EtherealCookie

Eagle, you're a racist against Undeadsteaks. WE SHALL NOT BE LEASHED.

Chocobuncle

i think video games put the thought of killing inside your head but your personal life will be the major factor in violence

EtherealCookie

Yes, I want to kill the evil corrupted paladins who keep picking on undeads cuz of DnD.

SoTa_PoP

-sigh- This kind of discussion is pretty biased for us, seeing how we're all considered gamers and thus dont want to involve ourselves with maniacs such as that tom kid.

What was said earlier, about rational thought and depressions and social problems and family problems, thats the true cause of everything. If you think back to any time you've read about a kid becoming a killer over a game, you will never see the words "Was loved by family and interacted very well with everyone" Or even "Had a very loving girlfriend" Instead you will see a child obessed with games and hated his own life. Maybe the games gave him an idea of how to procede with the actual killing, but the blame itself falls soley on one thing. Parenting.

EtherealCookie

SoTa_PoP

-applauses- So who won? <,<

MrOrange

Neither. Adults still requires a scapegoat for the minority who are horrible parents. They will still continue their point of view.

LordForcystus

Not really reviving this issue, just throwing out some credible evidence.

New book: "Grand Theft Childhood"

People from Harvard Psychology wrote it. They were funded by the government (US government, it being Harvard). They studied over 1200 kids, some who didn't play video games and some who played video games (esp. violent) over 12 years, and interviewed 500+ parents. They found out this:

-Boys who didn't play video games had a much MUCH higher probability of getting in trouble at school, etc. (esp. for violent reasons).
-Boys who did play video games (including violent) had a much lower probabilty of getting in trouble at school, etc.
-Girls who played video games (excluding violent) had little to no effect.
-Girls who played violent video games (esp. at younger ages) had an elevated probability of getting in trouble at school, etc.


I found that interesting. They said that for boys playing video games was much more of a social thing (well yeah, look at us on a forum for GAMING). They also said that boys that didn't play video games often found it difficult to form bonds with other children (esp. boys).