Ciuciaro

We in the Netherlands have a huge problem with immigrants. We have too much. And they don't integrate. They keep taking their own language, going to their own schools. Keep their own clothing.

As far as religion, i think they should be able to keep it.

What should we do, you think?
Send them back? To their country, to be slaughtered? Keep them, or only the ones who already had an integration test. ( and passed it ) ( Btw, we tested the integration test, and 60% of our people didn't pass it either ).

Or send them back after the war in their home country is over, while in the meantime they've lived in the Netherlands for over ten years, have family, kids, and a husband here.

Also if an immigrant comes here should he be able to get his woman ( women, men in the islam are allowed to have more ) and kids here too? Even if they were already quite safe in another country?

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TheRussianLord

It's a serious problem, and essentially immigration quotas need to be established. It's the only way to prevent cultural erosion, and eventually cultural dissolution.

King Stubby

Yes, it would be really strange to have an islamic netherlands.

graal

Look, I might be wrong here, but I've researched something about Nethelands...
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Look if you agree with me here, the population is growing by 0,55% an year, which is really little... (well, countries usually try to have a small growth rate, as everybody knows, but I don't think it should get this low...) also, the fertility rate is kinda odd, for me... 1.65 children/woman... so, a man and a woman get together (2 people) and have 1.65 children (1.65 people), so population should be decreasing (do you agree with it?)...

So, why isn't it? Well, I believe it is because of imigration... so, I think imigration is kind of important for Netherlands right now... (unless you think the population there is too big and needs some reduction, but a 16 million population doesn't sound that big to me)

Also, what you have there, right now, are colonies of other countries, but as far as my understanding goes, it should take about 3-4 generations for them to get integrated with the rest of the society, the first generation usually speaks only their home country language... the second generation will probably speak a little dutch, but will mainly comunicate with people of the colony. The third generation usually speaks both languages and are more inclined to marry with people of Netherlands, as for the 4th generation, it is already a mix of both "ethnic groups".

With that mixture, the culture gets mixed too... now, RussianLord said that it would cause cultural erosion... I disagree, I think it will create a new and (usually) better culture... Look for the Roman Empire, for example. (yes, I know I mentioned it on another topic some minutes ago) It conquered other countries and mixed the cultures, so the Romans had a great culture, its base was the greek culture, but it was mixed with many other cultures creating the Roman Culture...

Well, everything I wrote is ONLY MY OPINION... I could be totally wrong on that matter, but that's what I believe...

King_Leopold

I see nothing wrong with immigration, the US was built on immigration, they had the same worries in the 19th century about the loss of culture that people have today, but guess what, things worked out just fine.

The specific issue in the US is hispanic immigration and people fearing like growth of spanish language things, but thee have been studies that show children of hispanic prefer to speak english.

Also, I disagree with the whole idea of cultural erosion. Modern American culture is built on a fusion of cultures. It is not and should not be some stagnant concept that never changes. Limiting immigrantion damages the very forces that helped make the US a great country.

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Ciuciaro

Not everybody thinks US is such a great country, no offense, not talking about myself btw. I don't really have an opinion there.

And about the 16 million not so much, well we have a small country, we are the 26th country in the world with the largest population living in a km².

Also, we are losing our forests and other nature very quick, to new buildings, new roads, more houses etc.

26. Netherlands: 394,3 people living km²
127. US: 31,3 people living km²

Just to mention, the 25 before the netherlands are mostly little islands, and even one who belongs to the netherlands too.

Then graal: Dutch people mix, the problem is that the immigrants don't. They do not mix, they keep the same. We can't keep giving them more of what they want as we do now, because we're not planning on becoming an islamic country. And the dutch people are still more in number then the immigrants.Of course we have a limit too, we keep our language, history and nationality. But our people don't have alot more things that are typical dutch.

King_Leopold

i didn't mean great as good, i meant great as in its a powerful, stable, economically successfully country

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graal

Well, but as I said, I think only after 3-4 generations of the immigrants they will start to mix... (how long have they been there, on their colonies?)

Ciuciaro

Maybe they will after some generations, problem is that they don't want to now.

Ayuoobi

What's the problem with having immigrants? Canada's made up entirely of immigrants (ofc generations past.)