MrOrange

This is probably one of the most well-known debated topics in the world.

Is Global Warming real or is it part of another ice age cycle?

Well in my personal opinion, Global Warming is part of a ice age cycle but what we are doing is speeding it up at a abnormally fast rate. So in the end if Global Warming is not real, the quick ice age will probably kill us because our technology might not be advance enough.

So discuss and etc.

graal

I believe the Global Warming is true, and I think if someone here hasn't watched "An Inconvenient Truth", they should right away... I think there is more than enough evidence of the Global Warming for me to believe it...

Well, I can't argument too much because I'm not a scientist, but I don't think it is an ice age cycle...

And I seriously believe that the only people who think there is no Global Warming are the Americans... (not all, of course)

King_Leopold

I really don't know, but we'll all probably be dead before its a big problem. Besides we can't solve all the problem for the next generation. So many diseases are being cured, less war, if we stop global warming, what will people worry about in the future?

Is this wrong approach? lol Probably

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LordForcystus

I haven't seen much evidnece for Global Warming (by this I don't mean there is no evidence, also I don't mean that I don't think it's happening, I just mean I haven't been seeking it out) but I believe it is happening. I also believe it isn't part of the Ice Age Cycle. If you look at "the cycle" you'll see we're a little too early to even naturally be warming up. We are definitely heating up much too fast to be natural.

I also believe we can all but stop it if we truly TRULY put our minds to it. And since I believe we can stop it from happening, I believe we not only should, but must.

Did you know that there is only one solar panel factory? It's owned by a company in the United States. Only one solar panel factory. One. Imagine if we had hundreds. Yeah, now it's just simple economics, supply goes up, prices go down (also if the company is smart when demand goes up, the prices go up, people stop buying them. So a smart company would lower prices by...raising supply ).

Also, ethanol. Right now when we make ethanol, we get about the same amount for about the same price as gasoline, gasoline is just so widely used and for the common man it doesn't appear to be too terrible a problem that ethanol won't be widely used until it becomes economically beneficial to do so. And how will it become so?? Termites. Right now when we ferment corn to make ethanol we get X amount of usable ethanol and then waste. The waste is mainly cellulose, like the kernels themselves and other such things. What we get the ethanol from is the glucose in corn. Termites eat cellulose (they cannot digest it, but they have enzymes and symbionts which can do it for them) they are the only multicellular organisms that can "digest" cellulose. So if we could find out what enzyme is used to break down cellulose, we can "harvest" this enzyme and use it in our fermentation process. If we did that instead of getting X amount, we'd get X*3. (or something along those lines).


Didn't intend to "talk your ears off", but I couldn't stop once I'd started.

graal

There are countries using cane ethanol (like Brazil, for instance) and as far as I know, it is more eficient than corn ethanol... (I mean, more ethanol per hectare) I might be mistaken here, but I think ethanol price in Brazil is about half the price of gasoline... (per liter, galon, or whatever) and as ethanol is about 75% as efficient as gasoline, ethanol is cheaper there than gasoline... so, if the production of ethanol is high enough, it can become cheaper... (as you probably saw in TV or some other place, Brazil is where the cane ethanol started many years ago)

But, I don't really think ethanol is the solution for global warming problem. Whatever you use to produce ethanol is gonna burn on the process (ok, it is better than gasoline, but it still polutes) and if I'm not mistaken, cane is burned before harvest, so even more polution than it would normally produce.

I think the best solution would be solar cars or something, but this kind of technology is really far from our realities (unfortunately), so let's use what we have on the moment.

As for only one company producing solar panels, I think you are mistaken (or I am...) because I googled Solar Panel Company and I had a lot of results...

MrOrange

Sometimes you have to look at the results. Google is your friend but like all friends, they will betray you eventually.

But if you really think about it, any problem that is causing global warming will also have a deadly effect if they are not controlled.


Cars and Gas needs oil which we are over-using and will eventually deplete our entire source and the world would surely be in chaos due to the lack of such a depented variable. We are finding alternate fuel but that is still not enough.

Deforestation removes tress which replaces Carbondixoide with oxygen, in simplest form. And houses many species and supplies a great deal of wood. Remove too many trees then the world would have an overdose of carbondeoxide which would make it harder to breath.


These may be debatable but I need to go somewhere right now and I didn't have time to think over this as much as I would on my other posts.

graal

Well, but on google I really had the impression they were diferent companies who produced it... they were all "solar panel manufacturers"... dunno, maybe they all bought something from a company in common which is the only to produce some specific piece... but I think there were even chinese companies there... (yeah, chineses do all kinda things... I hate it... hahaha)

and about the trees being removed, that's why I said that cane was more efficient... (more ethanol per hectare), because it matters a lot how much area you will have to use, destroying the trees and reducing the "production of oxygen"

I think a great deal of the global warming is caused by deflorestation for harvest... you have much less trees to replace Carbondixoide with oxygen (and no, harvest doesn't do it as well as tress, and it also destroys the ground after some time)

TheRussianLord

Global warming is real, but the rate of global warming has been overestimated. The global warming crowd somehow assumes global warming is governed by positive feedback. In reality it's not.

LordForcystus

But the using the sugarcane is as efficient now as it will ever be (if it becomes more efficient in the future due to the mystery enzyme I was talking about earlier, it won't be by much) whereas corn isn't greatly efficient yet but has great potential if we harness the "mystery enzyme". Plus if the "mystery enzyme" was found we could ferment anything with cellulose. Anything with cellulose. That's any plant or plant product (including wood, paper and the like) that is why the "mystery enzyme" would be so useful. But obviously we haven't found it yet so...

Ciuciaro

As my teacher sais, global warming is part of a new ice age cycle. We just warming it up a little bit faster.

Roy_Felix

i agree with MrOrange that global warming is just a part of the ice age cycle and the world is just warming back up from the last ice age. but i also agree that the human race is pushing it forward a tad but faster then what it should be and we might not be ready for whatever happens in the future with the acceloration of warming the earth but only time will tell if we are ready or not

MrOrange

I say that time is not the only factor that will decide the end. We have to at least start doing stuff that will slow things down or return things to normal.

Ishanul

I am not going to deny that movie had facts, but so much of it was Gore saying "vote for me, vote for me"

graal

Well, one must know how to extract the important info... I didn't care if he was a candidate or something, I watched the movie and liked the facts shown there, it really was an eye opener.

Ayuoobi

GW is not part of the ice age cycle. We created it, now we gotta deal with it. Or rather, the industrail age created it, *cough the british, *cough. And now we gotta deal with it. But yea, the rest of humanities fault too excluding some parts of africa because we fed it (cars, feul powered power plants, etc.)

MrOrange

How I see it, it's not a matter of do you think it's part of the cycle or not. It's more "are you taking care of the Earth?" Even if you think that the Government made up Global Warming, but you still take care of the Earth then you just get a better and healthier Earth. And if it turns out to be true, well we're never know which would be a great thing.

Ayuoobi

the U.S. isnt helping the problem, which is a major problem because they are one of the leading countries. Infact, they ARE the problem..

The-King

According to the Pastafarian belief... Global warming is due to the falling amounts of pirates.

MrOrange

I'm not exactly sure how that exactly works. Mind explaining it?

Ayuoobi

don't you mean rastafarian? those guys who smoke weed as a spiritual ceremony in jamaica?

EtherealCookie

Global warming is most likely real, and If you believe theres really no proof on it, go watch "An Inconvenient Truth".


I don't understand how it was Al Gore saying vote for me. It hardly seemed like it :P. Though he did focus on going on about his life a lot. Pastafarian belief is the worship of pasta if I'm correct. Theres something near it. Just check Wiki on it.

EtherealCookie

If you believe theres not much proof 'bout global warming, just watch "An Inconvenient Truth". I'm pretty sure global warming does exist.


I don't see how the movie was trying to encourage people to vote for Al Gore, however. He did focus a lot on explaining about his life, but it was usually linked with Global Warming.

Also, Pastafarian belief is the worship of pasta or the such? I'm not sure, but I've read something 'bout it. I suggest using Wiki.

TheStinger

By the way, Gore wasn't running for anything then (the movie was made after his presidential candidacy) and he is not running for anything now. He has said he will not try to get a political office again, but he would accept an office in the white house running environmental projects, etc. He spent all the money from the movie and nobel prize on raising environmental awareness, so he was not in it for the money.

Not like he needs money, that guy is rich. He apparently invested in google the moment it became a publically owned company with 2 million $$$. (and the stock has gone up 8x or something, so 2mil=16mil)

EagleMan

India and China are worse, China is immediately worse as the number one emitter, India is incredibly likely to become worse then the USA in due time.

Plus reforms are expected once the president changes, all are pro reducing emissions and all that jazz. But China and India are having economic booms and their government can't bother with the same thing to reduce emissions.

Serenity

Well actually calling it global warming is out of date, the theory is now global climate change because it makes some areas hotter and some cooler because it is eating away the ice caps and that alters the flow of temperature from the currents.

And China and India are currently worse then the United States because they are entering the industrial revolution, back when the US entered the industrial revolution trees were becoming black and buildings needed to be painted often because of the pollution, so expecting them to pollute less then we do is completely asinine.