Project Black Ice

Story

During the third war, the Lich King noticed how much more powerful, and more intelligent the Ice Trolls were compared to Forest Trolls, sense Ice Trolls were mostly in Northrend, Ner'zhul wanted to take advantage of these powerful warriors to increase his army power. However when Illidan damaged the Frozen Throne, the Lich King was losing his power, thus losing control of a fraction of his army(this is when sylvannas broke apart and a number of other undead minions joined her) Including this was the Ice Trolls, which were enhanced by a large degree with Demonic Corruption, once they weren't capable of creating a civilization, and were merely just brute hostile units in Tribes. Now King Malakk came to Throne to gather up the tribes that were in control by the Lich King, King Malakk wanted take advantage of this, and take his shot onto the world, so he created a Elite fighting force to defend off the scourge while there new empire was formed.

King Malakk traveled to Kalimdor during the third war, before the orcs discovered Kalimdor, they were searching for allies, while searching, one of King Malakks search parties ran into a underground cave full of Dark Trolls, most of the search party was killed, but King Malakk had interest in these trolls, hes heard they are the most populated troll race in azeroth, and he felt he could use that to his advantage. So he sent a small army, along with himself into the underground cave, he ran into many magic wielding trolls, known as warlocks, it was a fierce fight as him and his small army traveled the underground cave, until he ran into there clans chieftan, Zan'gash. King Malakk challenged Zan'gash for the supremacy of his clan, after a fierce fight, King Malakk defeated Zan'gash, cut off his head, and showed it to his clan, telling them they belong to him now.

When gathering the Dark Trolls, he watched as they swarmed out of the cave, hundreds of warlocks, and powerfully built warrors gathered by a lake near by. Before he came to Kalimdor he also made allies with numerous tribes of other races that want revenge against the Lich King and rest of the world.

After Arthas fused with Ner'zhul, most of the Scourge went back to northred, while The lich King re-gathers his army and plans his invasion. King Malakks Empire grew to a large extend, having many allies from the north, and new ones including the Dark Trolls, the New Troll Empire was a new threat to deal with, though the Horde and Alliance didn't know about it until a few raiding and scouting parties attacked Theremore and a few outposts of the Horde. Though they had no idea it was a entire Empire invading until some orc scouts and theremore scouts discovered a massive army marching across Kalimdor.

They also found out that isn't even close to the there full army, many scouts discovered several massive armies across Eastern Kingdoms and around Kalimdor.

Each faction needs to find allies fast, and put a end to this new Empire. The Night elves fully joined the Stormwind Alliance, giving there full support. The Forsaken also made a similiar of course temporary pact with the Horde. A numbers of units from each faction have joined the horde and Alliance. Though it may not be enough to stop King Malakk and his massive Troll Empire...

I've looked up numerous things like on Wow Wiki, and this fanfic story Can fit perfectly with the timeline, sense this is between WoW and Warcraft 3, I've looked up numerous names, tribes, the Ice trolls and Dark trolls, so I tried hard to make it so they fit in. Sense there is a 5 year difference, and little info between them besides a few books it gives me and a friend working with me in this a great opportunity to create this. King Malakk is a actual character in world of warcraft, there isn't much lore for him but hes the perfect candidate to lead this new empire. He is currently the Frost King of Gundrak city in Northrend. Which after the Troll Empire is obviously defeated he retreats back to Northrend and commands a decent army and stays at his capital, and lives in peace, though hes i pretty evil, the lore defines him as greedy, evil and ravenous. Also I can't remember offhand but not long ago Zul'drak nation was formed in which is a Ice Troll Nation. So I can make this whole story make sense =).

General

Night Elves and the Undead are no longer playable in this project, you can use some of the units that were in them in each factions arsenal. This project will mainly focus on 3 factions, which the story revolves around this new Troll Empire, in which later on a more detail storyline on where they came from, and how they could hide themselves will be revealed later on.

The new Troll Empire, focuses on brute force, in which most units have either piercing, sieging, or magic damage. Sense most units will be pretty powerful, most will be considered unarmored, so they have less armor(defense).

in this map there will be small neutral Hostile bases in specific locations, normally they will be demonic or renegade orcs, if they are destroyed, theres rewards.

In this first map it will be a set of islands, which mostly contain ogres everywhere, each island is a decent size for a base, each contain a Goldmine, a good amount of gold. You can't rush in this one, there are shipyards everywhere however.


There will be campaign maps, but until then it will mostly be special melee maps. I would also like to mention that because there are only 3 factions now, it will be easier to balance, thus we can add more units, a lot more.
This is the progress we have so far

Terrain-72%
Terrain Detail-62%
Units-56%
Models-23%
Triggers-0%

Job Openings
The biggest thing we need at the moment is a good modeler, reason is we need icey kinda troll buildings, and specific troll models. I've tried requesting for models on numerous sites, but I've been mostly ignored.
So far there are only 2 of us on the team(officially) we would like 3, which should be the Modeling position, this is a very important position, and greatly needed.

Also in this map there will be small neutral Hostile bases in specific locations, normally they will be demonic or renegade orcs, if they are destroyed, theres rewards.

In this first map it will be a set of islands, which mostly contain ogres everywhere, each island is a decent size for a base, each contain a Goldmine, a good amount of gold. You can't rush in this one, there are shipyards everywhere however.

Within a week I will add a lot more information, Organize this thread some, and post some screenies of the terrain and units.

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And the 2nd member of the map, is me. I'm handling the triggers and such.

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congratulations, ghostlyforker!

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lol, haha

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>Ghostlyforker

Hahaha. That could be my friend, and we could fuse to form... You know what's coming, don't you?

[spoilerbox]GhostlySporker![/spoilerbox]

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how many custom models are you gona need?

 

Not quite sure, we need 2 heroes, about atleast 3 units, and then all the buildings, except towers and item vault.

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So, shocker, are you a modeler, or do you just have a few ones related to our project you might be willing to share?

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... Just get models from HWS.

 

Sorry but the hive doesnt help on any degree, yes I've checked every single model, yes I've requested, Hive is bad about taking requests, because there quite picky. They really only have a couple of troll kind of buildings, which are meant towards forest trolls, and they have troll models but like I said, all forest trolls. I'm doing Ice and Dark Trolls.

The Hive is my main source for models and stuff, I get most of everything from there, but they don't have everything, and most people when making a troll empire they use forest trolls, not ice and dark, in which Ice Trolls are more evil, stronger, faster etc.

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well i dont make models but i know a guy in kla that has a ton of ice troll biuldings/unit models. If u got a e-mial i can give it to him, idk if he will go on pollama.(idk if ill see him soon, i only know him because he was trying to get king to add them to ba)

 

punwisp@yahoo.com

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k i will tell him it, if i ever see him

 

We owe you big-style, shocker.

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I appreciate too, i really hope he sends them to me, I could really use them.

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well u do know all these models will add over 1mb maybe 2mb

 

Yes, over time I will kill off models to save space. If I can get a decent modeler I can use some of the hero models, I've taken tuts to delete hero glow but they always crash the editor and ingame.

EDIT: added the basic Storyline

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Wow, really good job. I'll handle spelling/grammar mistakes, as I'm kind of a grammar nazi.

Sorry I'm not much help at the moment, but I'll help a lot when you need me to do the triggers.

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if tis a normal mele map y do u ened triggers? i could see triggers for custom spells but thats it.

 

It's not a normal melee map, it's melee-style, but custom. We still need a good few triggers for quests, custom spells, dropping items, stuff like that.

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He'll replace every cool with deadly.

 

Deadly and godly =P

Later on this week, I will edit the story, the units and such.
and guys if you have any links to resources of Troll models(NOT THE HIVE) Then please post them.

And please don't say google it... If you say that I'll Hunt you down, slap you in the face and beat your face in with your broken off arms! You cant just google this **** =O

Sorry I bursted but I've gotten tired of hearing that **** on multiple sites.

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Just google it jeez, some people need to just look around on google, because you CAN just google this ****.

Na but honestly i have no idea where u can get ice troll buildings, idk if this sounds lame but for dark troll buildings i dont see why forest troll buildings tinted wouldn't work.

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Whats your address??

You cant just look this **** up... Yes I have looked, i ALWAYS look on google, I've very rarely found a site with more then 3-4 models, most havent been updated in a long time, I've searched many different ways, you CANT just google it, I have tried... Google is useless in this situation.

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the whole google part was a joke man, how could you not tell from the bottem part....

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haha, im re-reading it now, I was skimming it while I was watching 300 on my portable DVD player xD
My bad

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ah its cool, still havent got the chance to watch the 300 yet. but good luck on your map. I quite like the story line so far. also what would the three factions be?

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Factions are
Horde
Alliance
Troll Empire

Alliance has some more Dwarves and some units from NE, Horde has some undead units in its arsonal(Forsaken)

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soo would the teams be this

Horde:
Blood elves
orcs
trolls
forsaken
tauren

Alliance:
Dranei(possible because eredar are dranei)
humans
Night elves
dwarfs
gnomes (possibly smaller humans, collision size altered)

then troll kingdom would be

ice trolls
dark trolls

and thats every playable person, thats 12 people.

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Elves didnt join the horde until burning crusade, this takes place before WoW, same with dreanei.
Units are being added to the Alliance, theres only 3 playable factions.

Theres also been a debate to replace all the races, like having the following
Troll Empire
Blood Elves
Chaos Orcs

All except Troll Empire would be very easy to setup, I have BE building models and unit models, Chaos orcs use some of the same buildings as orcs, and theres other buildings I can use.

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punwisp just google it more and stop being lazy.

well i have not seen the guy yet, but he did e-mail king_leopold befor so i asked king to post the guys e-mail here. You might wana message king a few times, he tends to forget things.

 

Yea... I must be lazy... Good thing you know what your talking about, Guess I have been lazy, guess I should just X out that I haven't looked all week most of the time looking for models... Amazing how many searches you get, you can barely find **** when you look for models. Take out the Hive, you will RARELY find a actual site that carries a good amount of models, let alone the models I need. I haven't even been close to lazy, I've spent all summer working on Warcraft EG, then spent the past 2 weeks to non stop work, this saturday I spent from the morning to 4-5 A.M at night Working on the terrain and units, before that I was looking for models, though I already have roughly every model on the Hive, and a few other sites, thus I have a couple hundred models, with only a few I can use, Forest Troll **** is very easy to find, how many projects do you see doing what I'm doing? Making mainly a "Ice" Troll models, and buildings, with few Dark Trolls, Go ahead, look, most you'll find is a project from long time ago and maybe 1-2 unfinished projects.

Go ahead look on google yourself, look for Ice Trolls models, mainly buildings, the ONLY place I've actually found ice troll models is on this foreign site is

http://www.google.com/translate?u=ht...&sl=auto&tl=en

Give me one link with a decent amount of Ice Troll models, I'll give you a hug and a high five if you can find one. I've looked at about 32 different sites so far with models, all but 2-3 had more then 5

Yea, lazy my ass, every time someone tells me to do something, like on google, I've done it a couple thousand times.

So like I said, don't tell me to look on google, because its useless in this situation, I have looked, I look more then most people more then likely.

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dude just to let you know, shocker was just kidding to when he said the thing about google. you gotta calm down about that stuff.

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stop making the effing jokes >.<

I hear that same thing a lot and there being serious... How am I suppose to know he was joking?

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because he said something afterwords that was helpful to your situation thats how, just like in my post.

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He was just informing me from a different post he had =O

But anyway I hope I can get a hold of that guy, shocker whats his name?

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Ok, what do you guys think about bringing Chaos orc sin the picture?? In adding them into the new faction, it could give us more variety and good flying units, though if we do, we need to think of a way to make them fit into the storyline

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It would be hard, unless we bring a minor demon into play, because before Medivh's time, there was the guardians who fought off minor demons that could get into Azeroth, or ones that hid when the Legion went down against the Night Elves. We could keep one hidden that hid when the Orcs/Humans/Night Elves destroyed the Legion, and he could have reawakened a small group of orcs, back into Chaos Orc form.

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accezzor into blackice forumz nao


Also, Fel Orcs, ffs.

 

hu?? i dont get it

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... They're not chaos orcs, they're fel orcs, and I said gimme Access to BlackIce section D=, it wants a password.
It siad Cookies are required!
so i typed Cookies but it didn't work >:O

 

Actually to be fully technical...
Fel orcs

The standard fel orc has red skin, and a ridge of long sharp spines coming out of its back. Bony horns grow from its arms and hands. Its eyes are bloodshot and glow red, and six long and thin fangs grow out of its mouth. Its ears are stubbier than orc ears, coming to a blunt point. Most fel orcs have lived for years in Outland with the corruption, and this has lead to the greater mutations. Fel orcs made up a large portion of Magtheridon's forces in Outland, in Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne.
Chaos orcs

Main article: Chaos orc These fel orcs were called chaos orcs,MG 20 due to drinking from Mannoroth's Chaos Well in Ashenvale Forest when they were trying to kill Cenarius.
Tainted orcs

Main article: Tainted orc Tainted orcs show some signs of corruption (large size, mottled skin) but lack the red skin of fel and chaos orcs.MoM 127,128
Fallen orcs

Fallen orcs show very little signs of physical corruption, but have a craving for power in their blood. Orcs have always sought strength and personal power. The demons provided that power, and some orcs still crave it. Fallen orcs feel the call in their blood; in every waking moment they taste the lure of the power. Whether naturally inclined to magic, or tempted by demon presence, these orcs seem born with the knowledge of how strong they could be were they to give in to the demons. They know what power lies just beyond their grasp. Some orcs fight this call their whole lives. They throw their loyalty in with Thrall or the Horde and temper their lust for power by serving a greater cause. Others prove too weak and succumb to the call. Still others seek power for their own selfish reasons. The Burning Legion welcomes fallen orcs and takes them eagerly into their demonic ranks. Fallen orcs typically become warlocks, though a few also become magi or priests of the Burning Legion.HPG 86
Fel-Sworn

Main article: Fel-Sworn Fel-Sworn are those who have begun to transform due to their exposure to the energies of the Burning Legion. Their bodies have warped and twisted to take on a new shape as their souls become more and more evil. Their demonic features develop until they are terrifying beings, half humanoid and half demon.WoWRPG 103






I think Chaos Orcs just sound better, thats why I say Chaos Orcs. Chaos orcs and fel orcs are pretty much the same thing, only the origins are different, for example, blackrock clan that was turned into chaos orcs by mannoroth are Fel Orcs, but are called Chaos orcs because they were turned by drinking the blood of mannoroth, but there the same thing, only different origins

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Ok, Sense this site is being a bitch to me right now, and wont let me paste anything to my first thread without highlighting anything I'm posting it in a new post....

Anyway here is the terrain I got so far, just look at the mini-map and you'll know I've gotten a lot done on it.
http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?i...terrainwj6.jpg

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Should one of us PM Cookie the pass, or get Apples to open it to the public, or keep it under-wraps for now?

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youknoyouwant stea kfor storyline dur? OO

 

Not my decision, dude. Need to wait for Pun's answer.

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No, it won't be opened for public yet, not until I get a lot of info there, and ghostly makes threads of triggers we are using and how.(not yet though)
There is no pass, its closed to public, except for mods, which me and ghostly are mods for it.

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That'll do. And it is password-protected. Just not to us, because we're awesome.

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Haha ok, also ghostly sense theres a 5 hour difference in our time, I'll post a idea thread there, so you can post all the thoughts you have, like modes, triggers, units, factions, everything. Sense we only can talk to each hour for about an hour because of hour time.

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Yeah. The difference is pretty gay. For example, I'm typing this now at 11:38am, and it's like 6:38am for you. Which makes things slightly difficult.

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Seeing how there is a ton of water will there be ships? If so will each race fo their own ships? Also will other maps have alot of water?

 

no moar luck of the irish? D=

 

I now have it so almost every island is connected to each other, and 'm having it so you can sneak ships around

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so will each race be able to biuld a shipyard or will shipyards be all over the map and u just buy ships?

 

By each base location will be a shipyard close by, I'll be making more ships later on

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well i guessing theres gona be custom heros, so they gona have custom spells or jsut a different mix of normal spells?

any ideal when you gona start testing, or releasing to public?

 

I'm sorry, I have no idea what Pun is planning. I'm not at liberty to discuss anything.

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haha lol

Well public testing will be once I get some of the spells working right, units working right, and just everything in general. Then Ghostly will put the triggers in, and it will be ready for public testing.

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there are billions of gnome models on the HIVE.

look them up.

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Gnome models? O.o, to be technical there arn't even 100, and I'm not looking for gnomes... I've searched the hive head to toe, i have all that I need from there =O, I've been to all the common model sites..
where did gnomes come from? XD

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Their mothers' wombs?

It's to do with Stubby having a dwarf/gnome fetish.

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humans with altered sizes would be gay.

that's where gnomes come from, other than their mothers.

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A new gnome unit, but prob not.

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I'm not sure about gnomes. I don't think Gnomeregan had been destroyed when our storyline starts.

Pun, what sort of time is our story set again? Like 2 years before WoW?

Just checked WoWWiki. Gnomeregan was destroyed by Troggs a short time after the Third War, so I'm guessing the Gnomes joined the Alliance a good while after that, because they took shelter with the Dwarfs a while after Gnomeregan went down, and it took them a while to join the Alliance. I think we're safe enough to ignore Gnomes.

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Gnomes took almost no part in the third war because they were fighting troggs, actually this timeline is set during the third war and right after.

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Oh, then the Gnomes can be left out of the Alliance entirely! That's good.

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Yep, barely any models for them anyway.
*sigh* I would love to make a Blood Elf faction lol

Btw I got no school tomorrow so I'm going to hurry up and make sure things work right and prep for a public test

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come on! one gnome model would be good!

equal opportunity!

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Link some gnome models and I'll see what I can come up with

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when and weres the test ill come!

 

You can host right?

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yes, but try not to tell every one. I hate getting mass wisp asking me to host.

so when/where/what surver

 

I'm GodOblivion lol, you've seen me around a lot im in KLA.

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I thought I was gonna host it.... And you're on US East? My name is GhostlySpoon on it. I moved to US East from Northrend a while ago, because Europe was full of DotA.

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well a day/time would be nice, well if its today i cant come

 

I have no idea. Pun plans everything.

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ghostly we have a 5 hour difference lol, nothing wrong with getting other people who can host.

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thanks to ghostly helping me fix a error I had, I can now host!!

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alrighty, here are 4 different gnome models for you to look at!

Gnome Mage286kb


Gnome Fighter242kb

Gnome Rifleman207kb

Gnome Bombardier278kb

just remember that you can compress these files with most map protection things.

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*sigh* None of them in my opinion look warcrafty, they look just too childishly. Only one on the hive i would consider would be
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/r...list%26r%3D200
Thats the only model I've seen that actually looks like a gnome, and not a child with a gun or just a goofy gnome with a gun.

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Gnomish Mage is good, as is PunWisps, otherwise, wow, Gnomes aren't kids..

 

stubby thats 1000k even if you can make it half thats still 1/8 the size of max map size allowed on b.net,

and if i must ask again what day/time for the damn test!

 

Well, any time between say, 8pm and 10pm GMT would suit me. And any day, pretty much.

That's between 3pm and 5pm for Pun, dunno about the rest of you morons.

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is GMT US mountain time?

 

i have central time zine

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pacific, bitches!

besides, he wanted ONE!

i vote the mage. he's wrinkly.

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woot wunwisp is the same time zone as me, go central time zone! I guessing that GhostlySpoon live in Europe?

 

GMT is in europe...

i think it passes through Greenwich?

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GMT = Greenwich Mean Time.

It's the time from Greenwich in England. It is basically the same as BST (British Standard Time)

I am from Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK.

Dublin is in Ireland, yet it goes by GMT, and Belfast in Northern Ireland is a good bit North of Dublin, which would mean it's on the same time, as it is almost level with it on the map. My town is about 40 miles from Belfast, directly West. This means I go on GMT/BST, but we're really 20-40 minutes behind London, in terms of REAL time, but we just use the GMT system. As I type this, it's 18:19. (6:19pm)

Which means that in Central Time areas, it would be 13:19, (1:19pm).

Does this solve anyone's questions?

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2 things

Is there any program that can make the filesize of the map greatly decrease? And 2, if there was, what would people say if Elves joined the fray?(high/blood elves).

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yes there is called wc3mapoptimizer4.0

and y not elves?

 

its up to you guys.

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i guessing u will protect your map right? the program above makes it smaller file size and protects it, it does some other things too.

 

How smaller? How many MB smaller? So I know my limits. If it can keep it pretty low I can add a lot more stuff. Like a BE race, sense just the models for the new faction takes up 2.49mb, plus the other models which puts me at 2.96mb, If I add BE it will prob double that.

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I think Blood Elves are too much like humans.

And they'd be better being left out, that would reduce the filesize a good bit.

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yeah, just replace the whole blood elf race with a few gnome units.

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well idk how much small till you try it, for my map it keeps making it about 80% smaller. idk how much smaller it will make yours seeing how most your data is models, for me its triggers.

 

no, there is barely any decent warcrafty gnomes.

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Sorry guys about not posting daily, I took 2 days off cus i been working on this every day non stop, so i took a couple days off, I'm still working on it, spicing up the terrain, trying to make upgrades and spells work right, after that i'll send map to ghostly to set up the triggers, then forc to look over it.

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punwisp dont become lazy like me and end up taking weeks off... STAY MOTIVADED AND DONT STOP!