ents and corrupted ents

tastemysteel · 03-24-2008

hi there long time player of the map and first time poster.

While i'll be the first to admit i'm not the best player of the map nor the most experienced I would like to say that it seems that ents are a little too strong currently.

While it is true they cost a lot of resources to train, you get more than what you pay for.

A unit with base hp of 1300 and seige damage is a bit crazy. I have played many games where i have been defeated by nothing but ents. Perhaps it is just me not countering them efficiently but they seem out of lline at the moment.

they need a hp nerf or price hike or damage type changing imo to make them more balanced., but does anyone have any suggestions or comments?

King_Leopold · 03-24-2008

welcome to the forums, anyone else have comments on adjusting ents?

KenshinUesugi · 03-24-2008

I personally would like to see something more unique between the 2. Like regular ents maybe being better stats with higher hp regen. While corrupted ents might be weaker, but toss a disease cloud on them and faster attack rate.

King_Leopold · 03-24-2008

well they arent completley the same now, ents have the stone throw ability

Lohengrin · 03-24-2008

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Originally Posted by King_Leopold

well they arent completley the same now, ents have the stone throw ability

By the way, is that ability supposed to work buildings? Because it makes base targeting soooooooooo much easier, rofl.

Sling · 03-24-2008

I wouldn't suggest changing damage types.. The siege damage gives them both a strength and a weakness. They can beat the heck out of a building, but can't destroy, say, ranged units as easily. They are also giant wood constructs, though, so I would suggest giving them Fortified armor, and thus making them very weak to siege, giving them a large counter.

King_Leopold · 03-25-2008

fortified armor would make them weak to siege and strong to everything else

yes the rock throw hits buildings on purpose

King Stubby · 03-25-2008

so they can squishy things like in Isengard!

and i think that instead of throwing ROCKS they pick up a nearby unit (anything) and throw IT! i guess it could be based on tree club or whatever it's called. it'd be hard but soooo cool!

King_Leopold · 03-25-2008

well that just sounds rigged lol

luigi_fan64 · 03-25-2008

i think ents are fine as is truthfully, they are not good late game and i dont think ive ever actually been defeated by em

shado1212 · 03-25-2008

i agree with icarus ents are never a problem when i play.

kchoya · 03-27-2008

Theoretically, giving the ents fortified armor would make them weak against each other... If I think up any more pretty useless comments, I'll be sure to post those as well!

KenshinUesugi · 03-27-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Stubby

so they can squishy things like in Isengard!

and i think that instead of throwing ROCKS they pick up a nearby unit (anything) and throw IT! i guess it could be based on tree club or whatever it's called. it'd be hard but soooo cool!

You also have the issue of turning BA into TFT by using that spell, and leopold wouldn't want that now, would he >.>

tastemysteel · 03-28-2008

to clarify my points slightly:

I am a public games player and to many of us. it is rather disheartening when these ents walk into bases with large hp and can trash towers and buildings too quickly.

Maybe the issue is with player mindsets but since that is not likely to change i think something needs to change.

At higher levels of play they may be fine, but for beginers it can ruin gameplay quite severly and you wouldn't want to drive new players away.

Imo a hp nerf or armour type nerf would be suficient.

shocker · 03-29-2008

well a big tree walks up to a orc tower then graps the wood leg and rips it off then the towers fall and is now destoryed. Why would it not be like that?

King_Leopold · 03-30-2008

well ents starting armor is 1, it can't really go much lower than that, i dunno

LordSnow · 03-30-2008

I dont think this needs changed. It would be just as easy to buy catapults and lame bases if needed. Next to no one does it, so its not complained about as often.

03-24-2008	#1
tastemysteel Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2	ents and corrupted ents hi there long time player of the map and first time poster. While i'll be the first to admit i'm not the best player of the map nor the most experienced I would like to say that it seems that ents are a little too strong currently. While it is true they cost a lot of resources to train, you get more than what you pay for. A unit with base hp of 1300 and seige damage is a bit crazy. I have played many games where i have been defeated by nothing but ents. Perhaps it is just me not countering them efficiently but they seem out of lline at the moment. they need a hp nerf or price hike or damage type changing imo to make them more balanced., but does anyone have any suggestions or comments?

03-24-2008	#2
King_Leopold Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,434	Re: ents and corrupted ents welcome to the forums, anyone else have comments on adjusting ents? Go to this link, now. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

03-24-2008	#3
KenshinUesugi Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 147	Re: ents and corrupted ents I personally would like to see something more unique between the 2. Like regular ents maybe being better stats with higher hp regen. While corrupted ents might be weaker, but toss a disease cloud on them and faster attack rate.

03-24-2008	#4
King_Leopold Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,434	Re: ents and corrupted ents well they arent completley the same now, ents have the stone throw ability Go to this link, now. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

03-24-2008	#6
Sling Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 49	Re: ents and corrupted ents I wouldn't suggest changing damage types.. The siege damage gives them both a strength and a weakness. They can beat the heck out of a building, but can't destroy, say, ranged units as easily. They are also giant wood constructs, though, so I would suggest giving them Fortified armor, and thus making them very weak to siege, giving them a large counter.

03-25-2008	#7
King_Leopold Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,434	Re: ents and corrupted ents fortified armor would make them weak to siege and strong to everything else yes the rock throw hits buildings on purpose Go to this link, now. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

03-25-2008	#8
King Stubby Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Underground Posts: 5,623	Re: ents and corrupted ents so they can squishy things like in Isengard! and i think that instead of throwing ROCKS they pick up a nearby unit (anything) and throw IT! i guess it could be based on tree club or whatever it's called. it'd be hard but soooo cool! [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

03-25-2008	#10
luigi_fan64 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mushroom Kingdom Posts: 1,366	Re: ents and corrupted ents i think ents are fine as is truthfully, they are not good late game and i dont think ive ever actually been defeated by em ------------------------- A wise man once said, When you know whats good for people more then they do, you have the right to impose your will on those people. As a mod of pollama, i have that right. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

03-25-2008	#11
shado1212 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 155	Re: ents and corrupted ents i agree with icarus ents are never a problem when i play.

03-27-2008	#12
kchoya Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9	Re: ents and corrupted ents Theoretically, giving the ents fortified armor would make them weak against each other... If I think up any more pretty useless comments, I'll be sure to post those as well!

03-28-2008	#14
tastemysteel Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2	Re: ents and corrupted ents to clarify my points slightly: I am a public games player and to many of us. it is rather disheartening when these ents walk into bases with large hp and can trash towers and buildings too quickly. Maybe the issue is with player mindsets but since that is not likely to change i think something needs to change. At higher levels of play they may be fine, but for beginers it can ruin gameplay quite severly and you wouldn't want to drive new players away. Imo a hp nerf or armour type nerf would be suficient.

03-29-2008	#15
shocker Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 890	Re: ents and corrupted ents well a big tree walks up to a orc tower then graps the wood leg and rips it off then the towers fall and is now destoryed. Why would it not be like that?

03-30-2008	#16
King_Leopold Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,434	Re: ents and corrupted ents well ents starting armor is 1, it can't really go much lower than that, i dunno Go to this link, now. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

03-30-2008	#17
LordSnow Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 254	Re: ents and corrupted ents I dont think this needs changed. It would be just as easy to buy catapults and lame bases if needed. Next to no one does it, so its not complained about as often.

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