Think of this

blood_seeker · 06-19-2007

How about adding a new spawn a siege spawn because when hitting ppls towers almost sure other ppl get enough gold for alot of upgrades so if they ad siege it would be alot easier but the spawn should cost ALOT of money because buying siege solo is alot thats what i think.

King_Leopold · 06-19-2007

what map are you talking about?

blood_seeker · 06-20-2007

war of the 12 kingdoms

King_Leopold · 06-20-2007

the cost of seige units is fine. they aren't cheap, but you don't need tons of them to take down a tower, you just have to seige slower

blood_seeker · 06-20-2007

ya but by the time you have hit a tower down to half his ally comes in or he can just get his amry to go out and hit it...

King_Leopold · 06-21-2007

well then you protect the siege unit with your army, its not hard. No, you can't have your siege unit wandering around by itself, but provide a little cover and your fine.

Ciuciaro · 06-30-2007

About that siege, i agree with King, the price is good. But what about the steam tanks. They are useless...And expensive. I never never never never use 'em.

King_Leopold · 06-30-2007

any suggestions on how they could be better, cause im not really sure myself

Romaneck · 06-30-2007

Give them a blink ability...

If only you had TFT

NoMexicans · 06-30-2007

seige does its job for a fair price end of discussion

Ciuciaro · 07-01-2007

hmmm..Maybe you can make the steam tank like an orc burrow, and it will become stronger if you put more in it. And no attack for itself. And maybe you could give it a close-range heavy siege attack, then you also can use it as a ram. A bit more lives, and armor and the thing should be very useful. Still don't know if people gonna use it though. Maybe such kind of unit just isn't needed in 12k.

King_Leopold · 07-02-2007

well I could make a blink ability by triggers....it wouldnt be hard, but why would I give a steam tank blink, it doesnt really fit with the unit.

The orc burrow idea for siege tanks is pretty good.

NoMexicans · 07-02-2007

it could be like a drilling tank that goes under the bases to pwn and then come up and atks the towers

Ciuciaro · 07-02-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoMexicans

it could be like a drilling tank that goes under the bases to pwn and then come up and atks the towers

1. You got way too much fantasy
2. Even if possible, it's unfair. Unless you can hit it while its under the ground.

NoMexicans · 07-02-2007

well the blink would be the tunneling i was just explaining it and its not fantasy im on summer vacation and there isnt anything good on tv so i just think of ideas for games on wc and go on here and play wc

Ciuciaro · 07-03-2007

ye same here, all my friends are already on vacation, and im staying home >

NoMexicans · 07-03-2007

well my mom delivers papers and rarly gets time off so i havnt ever been on vacation with pisses me off

Ztnepres · 08-26-2007

are u guys trying to tell me u never used tanks -.- wat type of pros r u.. they are good blockers when ppl siege u. only problem i have wit them is build time and hp. for 100 gold they are pretty weak. wat would b nice is if u put a peasant in it, increase its regen. kinda like have the pesant repair but while hes loaded. prob is i dont think thats possible. so regen increase when placed wit one pesant would make a tank stronger. ive used tanks all the time. since ballistas and cats were put together lack of those were ever used. no one can realli rush cats anymore. its a dead strategy. cats arent worth it. 125? they die so easy and ballistas will kill them in the long run when end game comes about. strategically, o god i need to make a friggin guide.. half the ideas and points i make dont make sense to u guys cus u dont no all the ins and outs. well heres a strat u all should no. Archmage tranquility heals mechanical as well as units. therefore i used to use a cat and tran rush when it was 100 gold. cus instead of getting castle 5 u have 5 cats and enough ofa punch to attract ppl to attack u. its not always about how many units u have or how many big battles u fight. its all about the amount of gold u get and damage u do to the opponent. u destroy his towers and get gold in the battle. esp since tran will help keep the cats alive. nowadays its pointles.. tanks r useful still. however its not good enough for 100. if a tank could be in siege mode then it would be like soem1 suggested as a burrow. so uh like a treant protector he can move and root would be hot. then a tank can be 150 and still be useful.risk is losing it in a sandwich but of course is always part of the game to keep alive the important units.

Ciuciaro · 08-30-2007

I suggested the borrow idea to make it more useful. And of course i've uses tanks. However i've never found them worth their money. So i didn't buy them alot. Only if i had 5 castl already. I don't like the way your acting like we ( i am ) are noobs, and you're the best player there ever was.

Ztnepres · 08-30-2007

well tell me how u would build up as u play. like for example someone may go 1. castle 2. upgrade attack 3. castle 4. upgrade castle. etc. tell me ur build and we will c from there. everything in 12k can be if used properly very good or godly. just some r lacking. like the goblin sappers. even wit forst armor they weak. but if u use decoys to get hit by towers they can kill 2 towers wit 2 golbins. me, king and a few others know alot more than the general public. prove me wrong

Ciuciaro · 08-31-2007

Okay: In a normal 12k game, im usually blue. Let's say in this game i'm alone, sometimes i play with an even skilled friend. Then we are Blue and Teal or Blue and Gray or Blue and DG. We don't use tp heroes alot, tp is useful, but dunno dun like it. But i'll describe the way i go from start:

For blue's hero : Holy light or devotion aura as first ability. Usually holy light, but with friend i choose devotionaura. Okay, now i travel to the tower at the exit of teal first. Good chance you will find enough enemies from there to yellow. Best is to flank or backstab, an already fighting army. Fast gold. Then when earned enough gold, research defend. Fight some more, use defend on footman. And when losing, run away with yr archers when the footman die. Okay, next thing is to build a castle. Almost always i'm best player now. Run arouhnd a bit and earn as much gold as i can. Next choices will be determined by how much gold is earned in a fight. If i get into a fight and earn enough for a castle, i buy a castle. If the battle's over, and not enough for castle i buy armor upgrade for close-range. Well, by now some players left, if vassal mode enabled take the vassals, they're an attraction for fights. Now we kill the weak players, shouldn't be hard. Full-scale attack, doesnt matter i lose much, he won't survive it. Now the real competition. I never try to just attack him. Try getting his vassals, all of them. Then when i did that, i should've have 12 air ( i always save them up ). Now i start a full scale attack with my competition. Doesn't matter where, if i can't find him, i attack his base. Then i come from behnd with air, usually have to kill like one tower. Then kill his base, just don't attack any rangers that are shooting them down, it doesnt matter keep shooting at the base. This is the most normal way i win.

Other strategies sometimes used:

Sometimes one or maybe two cats just to take out towers.

The goblin zeps, usually for DG's base. I load them with my hero, and cavalry. I come from the left, kill some towers with my air, drop my elite forces. They can hold my enemy long enough, while my air force attacks and destroys the towers, and base if possibl.

Goblin sappers, are usually already freed by someone else then me, so i don't pay an att to them.

Also, when judging this remember that i always play older version. I know them best. Mainly version 3.5. It's the newest version in which the voting system isnt there yet. So don't judge on not using tavern heroes or somthing.

Almost forgot, i do use the invis guys you can hire in the woods near yellows base.

Ztnepres · 09-01-2007

ill wait for ur edit and then respond.

Ztnepres · 09-03-2007

editted yet?

Ciuciaro · 09-04-2007

Ye, might've forgotten some, but tell me how you do it better

Ztnepres · 09-10-2007

Ok first off. Blue hero wit holy light or devotion? No such hero wit those two. So idk wtf u mean there. Lol backstab. Just that alone lol. First off how do u use defend if u didn’t get the 1st castle yet? Im best player now? Lol wat a statement so early in the game. No on eis a pro if u cant use all hero and all colors and play well. In a real hard game running around gets urself ****ed up easily. Obviously its not in perfect detail, but ur layout is humorous.

06-19-2007	#1
blood_seeker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 9	Think of this How about adding a new spawn a siege spawn because when hitting ppls towers almost sure other ppl get enough gold for alot of upgrades so if they ad siege it would be alot easier but the spawn should cost ALOT of money because buying siege solo is alot thats what i think.

06-19-2007	#2
King_Leopold Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,434	Re: Think of this what map are you talking about? Go to this link, now. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-20-2007	#3
blood_seeker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 9	Re: Think of this war of the 12 kingdoms

06-20-2007	#4
King_Leopold Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,434	Re: Think of this the cost of seige units is fine. they aren't cheap, but you don't need tons of them to take down a tower, you just have to seige slower Go to this link, now. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-20-2007	#5
blood_seeker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 9	Re: Think of this ya but by the time you have hit a tower down to half his ally comes in or he can just get his amry to go out and hit it...

06-21-2007	#6
King_Leopold Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,434	Re: Think of this well then you protect the siege unit with your army, its not hard. No, you can't have your siege unit wandering around by itself, but provide a little cover and your fine. Go to this link, now. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-30-2007	#7
Ciuciaro Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands Posts: 1,104	Re: Think of this About that siege, i agree with King, the price is good. But what about the steam tanks. They are useless...And expensive. I never never never never use 'em.

06-30-2007	#8
King_Leopold Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,434	Re: Think of this any suggestions on how they could be better, cause im not really sure myself Go to this link, now. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

06-30-2007	#9
Romaneck Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3	Re: Think of this Give them a blink ability... If only you had TFT

06-30-2007	#10
NoMexicans Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 960	Re: Think of this seige does its job for a fair price end of discussion

07-01-2007	#11
Ciuciaro Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands Posts: 1,104	Re: Think of this hmmm..Maybe you can make the steam tank like an orc burrow, and it will become stronger if you put more in it. And no attack for itself. And maybe you could give it a close-range heavy siege attack, then you also can use it as a ram. A bit more lives, and armor and the thing should be very useful. Still don't know if people gonna use it though. Maybe such kind of unit just isn't needed in 12k.

07-02-2007	#12
King_Leopold Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,434	Re: Think of this well I could make a blink ability by triggers....it wouldnt be hard, but why would I give a steam tank blink, it doesnt really fit with the unit. The orc burrow idea for siege tanks is pretty good. Go to this link, now. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

07-02-2007	#13
NoMexicans Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 960	Re: Think of this it could be like a drilling tank that goes under the bases to pwn and then come up and atks the towers

07-02-2007	#15
NoMexicans Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 960	Re: Think of this well the blink would be the tunneling i was just explaining it and its not fantasy im on summer vacation and there isnt anything good on tv so i just think of ideas for games on wc and go on here and play wc

07-03-2007	#16
Ciuciaro Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands Posts: 1,104	Re: Think of this ye same here, all my friends are already on vacation, and im staying home >

07-03-2007	#17
NoMexicans Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 960	Re: Think of this well my mom delivers papers and rarly gets time off so i havnt ever been on vacation with pisses me off

08-26-2007	#18
Ztnepres Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 61	Re: Think of this are u guys trying to tell me u never used tanks -.- wat type of pros r u.. they are good blockers when ppl siege u. only problem i have wit them is build time and hp. for 100 gold they are pretty weak. wat would b nice is if u put a peasant in it, increase its regen. kinda like have the pesant repair but while hes loaded. prob is i dont think thats possible. so regen increase when placed wit one pesant would make a tank stronger. ive used tanks all the time. since ballistas and cats were put together lack of those were ever used. no one can realli rush cats anymore. its a dead strategy. cats arent worth it. 125? they die so easy and ballistas will kill them in the long run when end game comes about. strategically, o god i need to make a friggin guide.. half the ideas and points i make dont make sense to u guys cus u dont no all the ins and outs. well heres a strat u all should no. Archmage tranquility heals mechanical as well as units. therefore i used to use a cat and tran rush when it was 100 gold. cus instead of getting castle 5 u have 5 cats and enough ofa punch to attract ppl to attack u. its not always about how many units u have or how many big battles u fight. its all about the amount of gold u get and damage u do to the opponent. u destroy his towers and get gold in the battle. esp since tran will help keep the cats alive. nowadays its pointles.. tanks r useful still. however its not good enough for 100. if a tank could be in siege mode then it would be like soem1 suggested as a burrow. so uh like a treant protector he can move and root would be hot. then a tank can be 150 and still be useful.risk is losing it in a sandwich but of course is always part of the game to keep alive the important units.

08-30-2007	#19
Ciuciaro Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands Posts: 1,104	Re: Think of this I suggested the borrow idea to make it more useful. And of course i've uses tanks. However i've never found them worth their money. So i didn't buy them alot. Only if i had 5 castl already. I don't like the way your acting like we ( i am ) are noobs, and you're the best player there ever was.

08-30-2007	#20
Ztnepres Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 61	Re: Think of this well tell me how u would build up as u play. like for example someone may go 1. castle 2. upgrade attack 3. castle 4. upgrade castle. etc. tell me ur build and we will c from there. everything in 12k can be if used properly very good or godly. just some r lacking. like the goblin sappers. even wit forst armor they weak. but if u use decoys to get hit by towers they can kill 2 towers wit 2 golbins. me, king and a few others know alot more than the general public. prove me wrong

08-31-2007	#21
Ciuciaro Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands Posts: 1,104	Re: Think of this Okay: In a normal 12k game, im usually blue. Let's say in this game i'm alone, sometimes i play with an even skilled friend. Then we are Blue and Teal or Blue and Gray or Blue and DG. We don't use tp heroes alot, tp is useful, but dunno dun like it. But i'll describe the way i go from start: For blue's hero : Holy light or devotion aura as first ability. Usually holy light, but with friend i choose devotionaura. Okay, now i travel to the tower at the exit of teal first. Good chance you will find enough enemies from there to yellow. Best is to flank or backstab, an already fighting army. Fast gold. Then when earned enough gold, research defend. Fight some more, use defend on footman. And when losing, run away with yr archers when the footman die. Okay, next thing is to build a castle. Almost always i'm best player now. Run arouhnd a bit and earn as much gold as i can. Next choices will be determined by how much gold is earned in a fight. If i get into a fight and earn enough for a castle, i buy a castle. If the battle's over, and not enough for castle i buy armor upgrade for close-range. Well, by now some players left, if vassal mode enabled take the vassals, they're an attraction for fights. Now we kill the weak players, shouldn't be hard. Full-scale attack, doesnt matter i lose much, he won't survive it. Now the real competition. I never try to just attack him. Try getting his vassals, all of them. Then when i did that, i should've have 12 air ( i always save them up ). Now i start a full scale attack with my competition. Doesn't matter where, if i can't find him, i attack his base. Then i come from behnd with air, usually have to kill like one tower. Then kill his base, just don't attack any rangers that are shooting them down, it doesnt matter keep shooting at the base. This is the most normal way i win. Other strategies sometimes used: Sometimes one or maybe two cats just to take out towers. The goblin zeps, usually for DG's base. I load them with my hero, and cavalry. I come from the left, kill some towers with my air, drop my elite forces. They can hold my enemy long enough, while my air force attacks and destroys the towers, and base if possibl. Goblin sappers, are usually already freed by someone else then me, so i don't pay an att to them. Also, when judging this remember that i always play older version. I know them best. Mainly version 3.5. It's the newest version in which the voting system isnt there yet. So don't judge on not using tavern heroes or somthing. Almost forgot, i do use the invis guys you can hire in the woods near yellows base.

09-01-2007	#22
Ztnepres Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 61	Re: Think of this ill wait for ur edit and then respond.

09-03-2007	#23
Ztnepres Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 61	Re: Think of this editted yet?

09-04-2007	#24
Ciuciaro Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands Posts: 1,104	Re: Think of this Ye, might've forgotten some, but tell me how you do it better

09-10-2007	#25
Ztnepres Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 61	Re: Think of this Ok first off. Blue hero wit holy light or devotion? No such hero wit those two. So idk wtf u mean there. Lol backstab. Just that alone lol. First off how do u use defend if u didn’t get the 1st castle yet? Im best player now? Lol wat a statement so early in the game. No on eis a pro if u cant use all hero and all colors and play well. In a real hard game running around gets urself ****ed up easily. Obviously its not in perfect detail, but ur layout is humorous.